quick recycle bin question

In Vista will the recycle bin actually get rid of stuff;instead of just superficially??? Those files still reside on the hard drive now? Has anyone ever looked into that?

Jeff wrote:

In Vista will the recycle bin actually get rid of stuff;instead of just superficially??? Those files still reside on the hard drive now? Has anyone ever looked into that?

Are you talking about total erasure of file remnants (to make them unrecoverable without expensive hardware analysis) when you empty the Recycle Bin or ...?

It would be a nice feature for windows to "shred" the files when they are permanantly deleted / emptied from the recycle bin...
"Mike Williams" wrote in message

Jeff wrote: In Vista will the recycle bin actually get rid of stuff;instead of just superficially??? Those files still reside on the hard drive now? Has anyone ever looked into that?
Are you talking about total erasure of file remnants (to make them unrecoverable without expensive hardware analysis) when you empty the Recycle Bin or ...?

I guess, if you put it that way;yes. "Mike Williams" wrote in message

Jeff wrote: In Vista will the recycle bin actually get rid of stuff;instead of just superficially??? Those files still reside on the hard drive now? Has anyone ever looked into that?
Are you talking about total erasure of file remnants (to make them unrecoverable without expensive hardware analysis) when you empty the Recycle Bin or ...?

I believe there may be similar support to this as part of an actual gadget in the Sidebar - managing your "deleted" files much better than before - whether they'll put it as part of the actual Recycle Bin, we'll have to wait and see...
Still only a rumour though ;o)
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I guess, if you put it that way;yes. "Mike Williams" wrote in message Jeff wrote: In Vista will the recycle bin actually get rid of stuff;instead of just superficially??? Those files still reside on the hard drive now? Has anyone ever looked into that?
Are you talking about total erasure of file remnants (to make them unrecoverable without expensive hardware analysis) when you empty the Recycle Bin or ...?

Thanks Zack, it was sort of an off the wall question;but it did make me wonder; to many of my friends the little trash bin meant to them that they were actually deleting files;which in truth-they were'nt "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

I believe there may be similar support to this as part of an actual gadget in the Sidebar - managing your "deleted" files much better than before - whether they'll put it as part of the actual Recycle Bin, we'll have to wait and see...
Still only a rumour though ;o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Jeff" wrote in message I guess, if you put it that way;yes. "Mike Williams" wrote in message Jeff wrote: In Vista will the recycle bin actually get rid of stuff;instead of just superficially??? Those files still reside on the hard drive now? Has anyone ever looked into that?
Are you talking about total erasure of file remnants (to make them unrecoverable without expensive hardware analysis) when you empty the Recycle Bin or ...?

Jeff wrote:

Thanks Zack, it was sort of an off the wall question;but it did make me wonder; to many of my friends the little trash bin meant to them that they were actually deleting files;which in truth-they were'nt

And they didn't wonder why it didn't empty unless they did it manually?
It's easy enough to set the system to bypass the Recycle Bin. If you look up Recycle Bin in Windows Help it'll point you to the checkbox on the Bin's properties: [ ] Do not move files to the Recycle Bin. Remove files immediately when deleted.
I think that's been around since Windows 95, over a decade now.

But they're never actually deleted unless you defrag. and some other... stuff... it's hard to explain, but most files are recoverable in DOS still :o)
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Jeff wrote: Thanks Zack, it was sort of an off the wall question;but it did make me wonder; to many of my friends the little trash bin meant to them that they were actually deleting files;which in truth-they were'nt
And they didn't wonder why it didn't empty unless they did it manually?
It's easy enough to set the system to bypass the Recycle Bin. If you look up Recycle Bin in Windows Help it'll point you to the checkbox on the Bin's properties: [ ] Do not move files to the Recycle Bin. Remove files immediately when deleted.
I think that's been around since Windows 95, over a decade now.

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Jeff wrote:

"Mike Williams" wrote in message Jeff wrote: In Vista will the recycle bin actually get rid of stuff;instead of just superficially??? Those files still reside on the hard drive now? Has anyone ever looked into that?
Are you talking about total erasure of file remnants (to make them unrecoverable without expensive hardware analysis) when you empty the Recycle Bin or ...?
I guess, if you put it that way;yes.

This isn't an OS issue so much as it's a technology limitation. No journaling filesystem (NTFS, ext3, reiserfs, whatever) can gaurantee total deletion.
Now if it's just the recycle bin you don't want to have to empty, that's been configurable in Windows since it gained the concept of a recycle bin. Just right click on the bin and hit Properties, there should be a check box to delete instead of using the bin.
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Zack Whittaker wrote:

But they're never actually deleted unless you defrag. and some other... stuff...

And if you scrub them over with an erase utility, hardware labs can still scan significant pieces of the details off the disk.

it's hard to explain, but most files are recoverable in DOS still :o)

Yes - I was knitting together disk-fragments to recover files from floppies 20 years ago.